Transcript - NIR SIG

Transcript - NIR SIG


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Izumi Okutani: Thank you everyone for coming to NIR SIG.

We seem to have a little bit of issues with power here, so if it doesn't get recovered, I would like to request the speakers to come up anyway, but then we might not be able to project your slides. Sorry about that. Hope it will recover in the next three or five minutes while I'm talking, but I hope you will still be able to explain your presentation by looking at -- your slides are in the PC, so you can still see what you want to talk about.

So this time, we have five updates from each NIR: JPNIC update, CNNIC update, KRNIC update, TWNIC update and the last one is from VNNIC.

I think there's a five-minute update from Sanjaya from APNIC to give us a brief introduction about the survey that APNIC is planning to conduct this year. So that's the overview of the agenda.

From what I saw from the slides of each NIR, the common theme is v6 deployment, so hopefully we can use this session to, you know, catch information on what other economies are up to. Of course, we can't explain everything at this session, but then use this opportunity to ask more information outside the session while you're at the meeting.

First, I would like to start with JPNIC update, so I'll be speaking as a speaker this time.

So JPNIC update. It seems the power is still not back yet, so I'll just speak without the slides.

In my presentation, I'd like to give you all a brief idea of the general situation of IPv6 deployment in Japan, then introduce what JPNIC does in terms of v6-related activities and then, lastly, other notable activities for the post-IPv4 exhaustion period.

First, update of v6 situation of Japan in general. As NIRs work really closely with governments as well, I would like to first just give you an idea of the Japanese Government approach for v6 deployment. Our government basically takes the approach of, well, to put it in a positive way, tolerate what the industry players are doing. So they don't really like have a specific policy on doing certain things.

What they do is provide a forum for facilitating different industry players to exchange information about v6 and they also set up a research group called Research Society Concerning Faster Utilization Through IPv6 -- a very long name, but they have been doing that since February 2009 and they publish all the results of their discussions.

So what the key industry players in Japan do is we have a task force which is a body where 21 different organizations, major industry bodies in Japan get together and they exchange information about each of their fields.

For example, we have an operators forum called JANOG joining this task force. We also have JPNIC and we also have UNIX users, like from content providers and different bodies within the industry get together and then, you know, exchange information about what each of these bodies are doing for v6 deployment.

We feel that awareness of v6 is generally high in Japan. So rather than trying to do more outreach, the focus is more on raising technical skills through training and providing hands-on seminars.

There's interesting information that's provided by the IPv4 Exhaustion Taskforce. For example, current status and future direction of v6 in Japan introduces what commercial services are provided in v6 and they have also done, like, recommendations for Japanese ISPs on preparation for the World IPv6 Day.

If you're interested, information is available on the website in English, so you can click each of these links.

In terms of commercial aspects, v6 is supported in our basic infrastructure already. So NTT East and West, which is the biggest telco in Japan, already provide nationwide v6 network infrastructure, as next generation network. Also KDDI, which is another major ISP in Japan, already started assigning v6 to 50 per cent of their subscribers by October 2011. So that's 600K IPv6 prefixing numbers, so it's quite substantial in number.

On the other hand, we still have some issues on NGN-based v6 network, because they provide v6 prefix to their intranet users, who are not connected to global Internet. So this is causing some v6/v4 fallback issues in DNS. I will explain in a little bit more detail in my next slides.

What we're doing now is preparation for the world v6 launch, which is planned for June this year. You can see information available at this website on what the Japanese operators are up to. Although it's in Japanese, you can probably Google translate for details.

The major issue is that because NGN assigns a v6 address even to those users who don't have v6 connections, when they switch on the v6 capability, they automatically assume they have a v6 connection and they first try to connect to AAAA through v6 and they realise they didn't have a connection and then force back to v4. So it causes some latency in DNS query and it would lower the service quality of ISPs.

So many of the ISPs feel that they must turn off the AAAA record to resolve this kind of issue, not to affect those users and to avoid causing latencies.

But if they simply turn off the AAAA record flat, then it would disable v6 connection, even for those users who have native v6 connections. So it's really a big issue for ISPs in Japan, how we can participate for this event and continue discussions on operators mailing list.

That's the general situation in our industry. Allocation status is that we have about 400 LIRs in Japan. Roughly half, 40 per cent of our LIRs have already received v6 allocations. It's not a low number, but then when we actually look at the number of ISPs that provide v6 connectivity for their commercial customers, it's about five to six ISPs. So there's a huge difference between the number of allocations and the actual service deployment.

What we do in JPNIC is that we feel that the ISPs in Japan are quite aware of what's happening and they have to be ready to be v6 supported from the number of allocations that we give out. The rest is basically the business decision of each individual ISP.

What JPNIC can do is provide more knowledge for ISP technical operators, so that when they make the business decision, they have an environment to be able to build a v6 network. So we collaborate with the v4 Exhaustion Task Force that I mentioned earlier that collaborates with all these different industry bodies in Japan. We provide tutorials through Internet Week, which is like a Japanese version of APRICOT that we do annually. It's a technical conference. We also hold regular v6 hands-on seminars.

Then also we have the test bed environment. I will explain each of these in a little bit more detail.

Tutorials and hands-on seminars. Internet Week, we usually hold it at the end of the year. So the last one was held in November 2011. We should have about 3,000 attendees. So it's quite a big conference. Major operators come and attend this Conference. There are several seminars focusing on, like, security on v6, which has quite a lot of interest. For those who are trying to transfer from a v4 network, that's a topic of interest.

We also had a session called v6 readiness update, where we had different sectors of the industry. For example, access line providers, content providers, system engineers and regular end users all got together and major companies from each of these sectors introduced what they have done, in terms of v6 deployment. So it gave an overall picture of how ready the v6 deployment is in Japan.

My impression was that on access line level, it's pretty much ready and then from the perspective of content providers, they feel that if mobile phone companies make their content v6 ready, then it creates more motivation to provide v6 service, because the population of mobile phone users is really, really big and people are using smartphones. So if that is v6 enabled, it would give more incentives for content providers.

We are also starting to see some services that convert v4 into v6 or vice versa for those networks that are only v4 native or only -- not at this stage, but in the future, only v6 native, but wants to connect to v4 network. So we are starting to see some of these services happening, which was a good thing to be able to confirm.

We also have regular v6 hands-on seminars at the JPNIC office. We make sure that we have each program per type of service. So for access line providers, cable TV providers and hosting providers, because each of these networks are different and they need different knowledge for that.

So we provide, like, a real life environment, so they can actually touch the equipment and if they have any questions, people can ask.

We've actually had, I think, about 600 participants so far. On average, we have maybe 10, 20 attendees for each of these seminars.

Lastly, v6 test bed. It was actually an environment that was constructed by the taskforce on v4 exhaustion and JPNIC took over the operation. The purpose of this is it provides a real life environment for providers to be able to bring their own equipment and test if their network works in a real life environment or they can also use some of the equipment in that test bed environment to see if their v6 migration procedure works. Some people want to do LSN, which is like a large-scale net or based on v4, they can use this environment to test these things. Anyone can use it for free, as long as they apply in advance.

That's just an image of what it looks like. Sorry, it's too small to see at the moment, but I have listed a URL, so you can click here if you want to find out more details later.

That's basically it on JPNIC's activities, focusing on v6, but there's also a couple of things that we do in the post-v4 exhaustion period. One of them is management of historical v4 address space. The address space that we hold is quite large. In total, we have a /5 address space managed by JPNIC. About a third of this space is historic legacy space. So it's quite a large number that they hold.

What we've done is make sure that we exchange a contract with these historical address holders, rather than leaving things for free. We've exchanged that and done that, completed by March 2009. We have about 1,300 organizations that exchange these kind of contracts with JPNIC, which is larger in number than our LIRs, which is 400. So that was the project that we have done.

We have also attempted to charge historical address holders just the same as our LIRs, just the same amount as our LIRs. Unsurprisingly, we received a lot of criticisms and opposition, but we finally got it approved in our members meeting, so we will start charging from April this year.

JPNIC actually expects quite a substantial amount of v4 address space, probably returned from those historical resources.

You can see more details of distribution of v4 address and how much of that is the legacy space. The blue part is the legacy space. You can see more details in my slides later. About 30 per cent is the legacy space.

The next one is v4 transfer policy. We implemented the policy from August this year and have completed 16 cases so far. We get about maybe three or four of these requests per month. The log is available in English as well, so if you want to check the site or who it was being transferred from, you can look at this URL.

Our staff has also joined the panel discussion in JANOG, which is a JP version of NANOG, about the realities of transfers in Japan and what are the issues that IPs are feeling and things like that. It kind of developed into discussions on how we can encourage those legacy address holders to transfer space, rather than simply returning to JPNIC, because that would just simply be included in the final /8 stock. It's literally the same as not getting distributed at this stage, because APNIC still has a whole final /8 block available. So these are the kind of issues that we're discussing with Japanese operators.

Lastly, routing security. I think that's an area where APNIC and other RIRs are trying to focus as well, but that's also an area of interest as a future registries role. We run our own RIR called JPIRR. We collaborate with our operators to provide detection system of hijacking. So they can use JPIRR data with route announcement to detect hijacking. That's the kind of things that we do.

We also started providing an Internet security session at our Internet Week. That's probably going to be a regular session that we are constantly going to provide with our community, hopefully.

We are also considering to be able to provide an environment where a few of our ISPs can actually test their, like, ROA and then we issue a test RPKI and then see if it's useful for routing security.

Awareness is still not very high overall in Japan, but then a couple of our ISPs have already expressed interest. So hopefully we can raise more awareness and interest and then continue providing necessary information within our community.

That's basically what we do. As a summary, JPNIC focus on training or raising knowledge in the v6 area.

Other areas that we are focusing on at the moment is the management of historical address space, v4 transfer and also routing security, especially RPKI in Japan. Thank you.

I think I would expect that we'd have some questions from the floor, but we have five presentations for this limited time. So what I'd like to do is move on to the next presentation, KRNIC update, and then have questions from the floor about three of the presentations, if that's OK. But if people are so desperate to ask, you know, a question about my update, I can take one question.

So I guess it's OK. So the next speaker would be Terence from CNNIC.

Terence Zhang: Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Terence Zhang of CNNIC. I'm glad to have this opportunity to share with you about our IPv6 research and promotion activities.

First, I will talk about some challenges in IPv6 development in China. Then I will talk about some CNNIC promotion activities and I will also talk about our research on IPv6 technologies.

Here is the status of the Internet development in China. According to our statistical report, by the end of 2011, we have about 513 million Internet users and we have about 330 million IPv4 addresses. IP address per capita is about 0.64. That's why private IPv4 addresses are used widely. The demand on IP addresses is very high and the pressure for IPv6 development is very high.

According to some research statistics, consider the normal Internet growth and also consider the growth of mobile Internet and the growth of the application of Internet of Things, the total demand for IP addresses in the next five years in China is about 34 billion addresses. So that means we have to move faster.

Here is also some challenges we see in IPv6 development. First, IP address demand is the main motivation for adopting IPv6. There are very limited immediate business or application demand. Then the impact of IPv4 exhaustion to different players is different. It's hard to create a coherent driving force.

From what we communicate with some ISPs or ICPs, feel that the impact to the ISPs is more serious, because they have to have the address resource to grow their business and grow their users. But the impact to the ISP is relatively not that significant. So that's why they don't have very effective coordination between the ISP and the ICP.

The other reason, the benefit of IPv6 has to be realised in the long term. So the investment is huge, but no short-term gain can be expected. So that's the challenge in IPv6 development.

From this perspective, we think that the IPv6 transition cannot be purely market driven behaviour. It needs someone who is in a very powerful position to promote this transition. That's why we think government involvement is very important in this process.

Our promotion activity will have two directions.

The first direction is to influence the government. The other direction is to influence the industry.

Because we are an NIR, we have close relation and coordination with the government. We also have close relations with the industry players. We have communicated with some of the major players and then we understand and try to figure out their concerns and try to find their common concern and we write an advisory report to try to let the government understand those concerns and also have some advisory to the government.

The advisory report is written to the National Informationization Experts Advisory Committee. Here are some key points of the report. First, we have reviewed some government specific IPv6 promotion policies and programs and we conclude that those policies and programs have proven to be effective in early IPv6 research and application.

We conclude that IPv6 transition will be a prolonged process if it were driven purely by business demand. Also, the longer the transition process, the more costs and difficulties will be incurred. We also want the government to know that Chinese ISPs may have more challenges in IP address resource than other countries, because of the rapid increase of Internet users and also the growing application of mobile Internet and Internet of Things.

According to our communication to the industry players, we recommended a referenced transition timetable is necessary for effective coordination between different players in the industry chain.

That's the overview of our advisory report to the government committee.

To the industry, we have some promotion activities and programs. One of them is what we call the Open Lab.

The Open Lab is just like a few contributors contribute about 5 per cent of our yearly revenue to fund some research projects from some enterprise. The objective is to promote collaboration between research and industry and to accelerate research achievement commercialization and to promote key Internet technology research and application.

We will fund the research project in a few areas, like IPv6 transition, trustworthy network, DNS technology and we also will establish joint lab with some enterprise, such as a Cisco lab or maybe some other joint lab later. Those joint labs will target technology research on data analysis, naming, addressing and routing and security stability and resistance.

That's why we have the name DNS Lab. That's our Open Lab. The objective is to get enterprise involved in the research and application department in key Internet technologies.

We also have another kind of test bed services, what we call IPv6 application pilot centre, to our members.

That's according to our communication with most of our members, we understand pressure on business development is very high and they cannot put too much resource in IPv6 research. Also, it's hard for them to get IPv6 from their upstream. So we think that IPv6 test bed will be helpful to most of our members.

We have a pilot network in CNNIC. The network consists of some networking devices and some tunnel servers and also some application servers, something like that. We use the CST Net, which is connected to the CNCI. It's actually one of the network mode of CNGI.

Our members can use the network facility of our application pilot centre. They can use it as like a test bed or use it as a lab to do some training. They can connect to our facility by leased line or by tunnel over IPv4 Internet, something like that.

Also, they can even use our pilot network as upstream to further provide trial service to their customers. That's what we think, that some of the service can be helpful for our members to get real practice and experience with IPv6 technologies.

Besides the network service, we also have application pilot services. They can use our server in the application pilot centre. They can use the server for hosting and testing their application, when they are doing migration or when they are developing an IPv6 enabled application. They can use our platform as a staging or test centre, something like that.

Besides the testing or staging environment, we also have some application development and migration guidelines. We have some sample programs and sample migration scenarios and also have some development and testing tools.

Besides the network and the facility services, we also provide training and consultant services, because as what I just mentioned, most of our members, small ISPs, don't have very strong technical staff. They may feel uncomfortable with the IPv6 technology. So in addition to the facility and networking services, we also provide training in a few areas, like IP address exhaustion and solutions, IPv6 introduction, IPv6 address planning, IPv6 migration planning, something like that.

We also provide consultant services in IPv6 capability and migration assessment, building an IPv6 pilot network which gets them more comfortable with the technology and more comfortable with using our pilot services.

When they feel comfortable with this, they are comfortable to promote these services to their customers. Also, they can do a better job to convince their decision maker to adopt IPv6 technology.

I think I have finished the promotion activity.

Then I will talk about some IPv6 technology research.

Here is what we see, some challenge in IPv6 management. First, is like the fast expanding use of IPv6 enabled devices and also the virtualization and cloud computing will drive up more addresses and more DNS and DHCP transactions and more reconfiguration tasks.

Also, the IPv6 addresses are longer and more complex to handle and IPv6 address management tasks can be more complex with the transition from IPv4 to IPv6, because we have concurrent management of IPv6 address and public and private IPv4 addresses, as well as the NAT pool.

That's why we have some solution. We think if we have better planning and allocation strategy, we can make the address easier to remember, easier to configure and change, which will reduce a lot of workloads.

Also, we can provide some automatic tool to perform some IP address management tasks, such as centralised management of IP addresses, name space and DHCP services, automatic focus of address utilization and capacity and re-numbering and reconfiguration assistance, Whois registration and reverse DNS delegation between LIRs, NIRs and also RIRs.

Those technologies can greatly reduce the workload and also greatly reduce the human error because of the manual processes. This technology is nice to have in IPv4, but we believe it's need to have in IPv6.

That's why what we think as NIRs we can raise awareness. I think, currently, IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 is kind of -- the awareness is kind of high, but the challenge of management of IPv6 addresses, I don't think that awareness is high. So we think we can, first, raise awareness and then we can provide some tools in allocation management and also the address management through our resource management system.

If there is a lot of functions to do, we can host a separate IP address management services platform to our customers.

OK. That's pretty much what I want to say. Thank you very much.


Izumi Okutani: Next is KRNIC update.

I think it was quite a lot of information to absorb from both the JPNIC and CNNIC update. So if you have any questions about the two presentations, I can take a few from the floor, if you have any.

John Earls: I wanted to ask you what reaction you got when you came to exchange contracts and some people didn't exchange contracts and you recovered those addresses, what sort of reaction did you get to that?

Izumi Okutani: Actually, we took two steps. We didn't immediately say we're going to charge, because at that point, we really didn't have a specific plan. We simply said that we want to verify and make sure that we have the authentic right to be able to use the v4 space.

So we actually didn't have too much of the issues at that point in time when we exchanged the contract. Then we made sure that we've contacted this organization several times, those who are not willing to contact us back. So we did reclaim, like, maybe address space from 5 organizations out of 1,300. So I think we did a pretty good job. We didn't really receive any complaints afterwards.

The issue that was, like, serious was when we announced that we are going to start charging, then people started to take it seriously and then they thought, "We got it for free" and, "Why do we have to pay?", and things like that.

We're actually taking a tentative charging scheme.

So the final scheme would be implemented in 2014. But until then, we take gradual steps to start charging our historical address holders.

Di Ma: As you mentioned JPNIC is --

Izumi Okutani: Do you mind to use the microphone, please?

It's for the remote participants to be able to hear you.

Di Ma: Since it's considered by IETF as an idea, that IP address transfer issue is troublesome. So has JPNIC been having this problem?

Izumi Okutani: We do see that as one of the issues we have to consider, but we haven't gone that far yet. It's not a commercial service for us at this stage. What we're simply trying to do is issue RPKI certificate for members and then they can try creating ROA and see if it works.

So we haven't really gone to the case of transfer, but we can see that it could be an issue. We're trying to collect more, like, real information for us to evaluate if it's useful to provide, like, proper service as JPNIC and things like that.

Di Ma: Does JPNIC have a plan?

Izumi Okutani: To provide like a service --

Di Ma: Yes.

Izumi Okutani: No. We want to evaluate as a test case first and receive feedback from our ISPs. Because we don't want to provide something that is not useful for our ISPs and give an investment.

Di Ma: Thank you.

Izumi Okutani: I will take in the general questions at the end of the session as well. So I would like to move on to KRNIC update. So Mr Na from KISA will be giving us an update on KRNIC's v6 deployment.

Jung Jung Na: Thank you, Chairman. Good evening, everyone. I'm Jung Jung Na from KRNIC in KISA, Korea Internet and Security Agency. KRNIC is a part of the Internet.

Let me tell you about IPv6 activity in Korea, especially. It's interoperability verification testing of IPv6 service. There are now a few activities on IPv6 in Korea: education, consulting, v6 IX operation and research during World IPv6 Day, et cetera. But I would like to tell you about interoperability verification testing in Korea, for your information.

First of all, let's see, environment of testing. It was consisting of three ISPs, KISA, telecommunication company of VoIP switch network. T ISP, H ISP, 6NGIX operate in KISA, ISP wireless connection and VOIP switching network.

In the case of T ISP, 6rd deployment, BR and CE deployed at backbone and service area. Traffic flow through the existing network and v6 traffic run using 6rd devices.

H ISP deployed IPv4/IPv6 dual stack for subscribers and made IPv4 and IPv6 connection to Pandora web TV.

Pandora is the famous multimedia stream service provider in Korea since 1999. It's like YouTube.

N-screen testing. It's on supposition that I watch the web TV at home. I tried watching the same content using a smartphone outside continually and this AP connect to v6 router, configure AP line to v6 addresses.

AP runs just like bridging. So a smartphone, like iPhone 4, can get IPv6 address.

This is testing objects and contents. VoIP testing.

If VoIP v6 user and mVoIP v4 user call to VoIP v6 user using 6rd. And IPv6 device using 6rd in other network call to other Internet services, like N-screen testing, we have three objects.

All of tests are successful. In case of VoIP v4 testing, the call packet route from v4 phone to v6 phone through VoIP switching network and mVoIP v6 call packet route too.

In case of IPv6 device using 6rd BR in other network, packet, second case, packet route IPv6 PC to IPv6 Pandora web server, 6rd BR and 6NGIX.

In case of the service, the kind of testing packet can arrive at the web TV server, one KISA arrived at the server.

Some packet routing test is not affected. But we got confidence and experience and some services. After testing, T ISP is providing IPv6 phone service for some subscriber. That is what this table says.

H ISP is providing dual subscribe network service, as to NMS and SMS. Red colour is not good. Red colour means not good.

Pandora web TV is providing IPv6, IPv4, web and app TV service.

I don't know what detailed technical information, but if anyone in this room needs detailed information, send an email to me and then I will give you that.

Thank you.

Izumi Okutani: Thank you, Mr Na, and thank you for also offering that if you have any questions, we can send email to you and then you will reply back by email.

So the next speaker would be Sheng Wei from TWNIC.

Sheng Wei Kuo: Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Sheng Wei Kuo from TWNIC. Today I will introduce the TWNIC update.

This is my presentation outline. First, I will introduce the background. Second, I will talk about the current IPv6 status of Taiwan ISPs and academic network.

Third is the focus of my presentation, the Taiwan Government transition to IPv6 and IPv6 upgrade promotion program. Finally, I will make a conclusion.

As you know, the IANA IPv4 address exhaustion happened on 3 February 2011. APNIC reached the IPv4 final /8 stage on 15 April 2011. It is a critical phase for IPv6 adoption. In this phase, it is important to do IPv6 transition and development for Internet stakeholders.

Now I will introduce the Taiwan ISPs IPv6 current status. In the part of infrastructure, there are 10 ISPs that have deployed IPv6 backbone and we have IPv6 Internet exchange, ASIX6.

In the access network, Chung-Hwa Telecom provides IPv4 and IPv6 dual stack services since 2011. There are five ISPs providing IPv6 tunnel services since 2007.

In the education network, the Taiwan Academic Network is fully scaled deployment of primary and high schools in 2010. Now 95 per cent of schools provide IPv4 and IPv6 dual stack access and IPv6 accessibility for www, DNS and SMTP. 68 per cent of classes provide IPv4 and IPv6 dual stack VoIP service. The IPv6 VoIP service is good, because Taiwan uses it to monitor the IPv6 network quality.

TWNIC started to measure the status of IPv6 deployment in Taiwan since 2009. The measurement items include web query from IPv6, IPv6 servers in web and DNS, traffic in IPv6 tunnel broker, number of ISPs within IPv6 allocations that are advertised in BGP and IPv6 traffic that in/out of Taiwan.

TWNIC announces the Taiwan IPv6 readiness survey every month. We compare 2010 and 2011. We found IPv6 grow rapidly. For example, IPv6 website grows 1,000 percentage. You can find this picture and if you want to get more information, you can see it at this URL.

Now I will introduce the program of the Taiwan Government network services transition to IPv6 program -- IPv6 UP.

In Taiwan, there is the government, private -- many uses for network services, such as tax payment and realtime traffic and transportation information.

Because of IPv4 address exhaustion, the government start to consider to transfer the network service to IPv6. So the government announce the IPv6 transition plan, IPv6 upgrade promotion program.

In this program, there are four important events.

The first one is T0. In this phase, the government announce official support statement on 30 December 2011.

In phase 2, which is Ta, the government's main external network services, such as web, DNS, email and infrastructure, will provide IPv6 on 31 December 2013.

The third phase, which is Tb, the government's secondary external network services, such as web, DNS, office facility room, broadband access and so on, will provide IPv6 on 31 December 2015.

Phase 1 to phase 3 are necessary. The fourth phase is Tc. In this phase, government internal use, such as internal access network, website, database, applications and PC will provide after 2016. It is optional and will be addressed by budget.

Let us go to the architecture of IPv6 UP program.

The program was official approved by Executive Yuan and the program is National Information and Communications Initiative Committee and there are four sections. TWNIC plays the role of secretary. We coordinate to other sections and government agencies.

In the IT and communication industry development section, this section will promote IPv6 product to IT and communication industry through development.

In the government network services IPv6 transition section, it is important section. This section will assist the government agencies to transfer their network services to IPv6.

The strategic and planning section will provide the specifications for IPv6 hardware and software and provide the IPv6 industry ...

The tasks of the program are as follows. Every government agency must designate an IPv6 transition manager by 31 January 2012. Finish detail stocktaking of infrastructure and application related devices must be complete by 31 March 2012.

All the government IT staff must take IPv6 transition training course by 31 June 2012 and finish the list of proposed procurement for IPv6 transition by 31 June 2012.

They must also upgrade 50 per cent of public network services, such as web, DNS, email and so on, to be dual stack enabled by 31 December 2013; upgrade the other 50 per cent of public network services to be dual stack enabled by 31 December 2015 and upgrade the internal network by 31 December 2016.

This is not an additional budget, it uses the same information and hardware budget for every government agency. We expect a total budget of NT

$2.2 billion, which is almost US$0.75 billion.

Now I made a summary. The IPv6 UP program is not only preparing, but also doing actual Taiwan Government IPv6 transition. It will also help ISPs, ICPs, SIs, training units, software developers and equipment vendors to be ready for the upcoming transition of commercial units.

Thank you. This is my presentation. Thank you very much.


Izumi Okutani: Thank you very much for explaining all the details of the government measures.

The last presentation from an NIR would be VNNIC update. After that, I will take any questions from what's been presented from the three presenters.

Phan Thi Nhung: Good evening, everybody. My name is Phan Thi Nhung. I'm from VNNIC.

This is some of the main content that I'm about to talk about in my presentation. First is some current image of VNNIC and latest status about VNNIC members and resources. Next is the latest status about the deployment of v6 in Vietnam, the role of VNNIC during the deployment of v6 in Vietnam and the last is some upcoming activities.

First, about some current images of VNNIC. We were established on 28 April 2000. This April, we celebrate being established. In fact, VNNIC is an organization directly under the Ministry of Information and Communication. The current staff of VNNIC, we have 75 people. We have one main office in Hanoi and two branches in Ho Chi Minh City and Da Nang City.

Next slide, I am very happy to introduce to you our new director, new leader, Mr Hoang Minh Cuong, since July 2011. Before becoming the new director of VNNIC, he used to be the deputy director of VNNIC for nine years. Mr Cuong is the man who very often attends APNIC and APRICOT meetings, so I hope some of you here will be familiar with him.

Next I would like to introduce you to our IP team.

We have four people. The smallest lady, Ms Nguyen Thi Thu Thuy, is the team manager.

Next I will talk about the current number of members of VNNIC. At the end of 2011, we have almost 100. Now the number is 102 members.

Up to the end of 2011, we have almost 16 million IPv4 addresses.

Next is IPv6. You can see it first appeared in 2004, so quite early. Then we have a jump up on 2008. From 2008 until now, it's just walking around. It's not any jump. I hope in the future, there may be some change.

Current image of v6 in Vietnam. In early 2009, the Vietnam IPv6 Taskforce was established. That is the Deputy Minister of the Ministry of Information and Communication is in charge of the taskforce. Almost one year ago, under the advice of the IPv6 Taskforce, the Vietnam National Action Plan on v6 was issued by Ministry of Information and Communication that determine the road map to deploy IPv6 in Vietnam.

Any one of you who would like to know more detail about the Vietnam National Access Plan on v6, please feel free to contact me. I am not able to bring small detail about it here.

At the moment, almost all large ISPs in Vietnam, they have issued their own IPv6 action plan that conforms with the national plan. By the end of 2011, one of the leading Vietnam telecoms, Viettel Corporation, they completely finished providing testing ADSL and 3G service on v6.

That's some current image on v6 in Vietnam. Next, I would like to introduce the IPv6 Day in Vietnam. How we enjoy that event. Actually, 8 June 2011, is the World IPv6 Day. So VNNIC ... all ISPs in Vietnam participate in this event. On that day, there are four organizations ... You can see on the slide the websites that turned on v6 on that day and the total access number for that day.

NetNam is one of the small ISPs and the first ISP in Vietnam, but a small one. At the moment, Vietnam is very -- how can I say, enjoy this event very much, yes.

How VNNIC play a role. So I would like to introduce next the role of VNNIC on the way to v6 in Vietnam.

As I'm talking in my earlier slide, VNNIC is an organization that is under the Ministry of Information and Communication in Vietnam. So it seems we are a government entity in Vietnam. The standing vice chairman of Vietnam IPv6 Taskforce is the director VNNIC.

VNNIC is also is one who drafted the IPv6 action plan. On the other hand, we maintain the first v6 testing network in Vietnam and now it becomes the national v6 testing network with five native and two tunnelling connections from domestic ISPs. However, what a pity, this network has no international connection. So we hope we can provide connection soon.

In the future, we will continue to provide some basic testing service for communities in Vietnam, for domestic connection, tunnel broker and VoIP, for example.

Next, my last slide. I am very happy to introduce you to our next event on v6. First is a two-day event on v6 to be held on 31 May and 1 June 2012. The location is in Hanoi. Members who participate, we invite government entities, domestic ISPs, vendors, transit providers, APNIC and IPv6 forum from overseas.

All of you here are welcome to participate, yes. At the moment, we have not yet detailed our agenda, but I think we will soon provide it on our website.

At the next event, we participate and encourage all Vietnam communities to join the World iPv6 launch event on 6 June 2012. We plan to conduct a v6 training course for APNIC in this year.

Thank you. That's my information update and presentation.


Izumi Okutani: Thank you for a very comprehensive update on what VNNIC is doing for v6.

I would like to take questions from everyone about the three presentations that have been made. One was from KRNIC. Mr Na introduced the specific test cases that KRNIC testing facilities are providing and what were the issues.

The TWNIC update was an introduction about Taiwan's readiness on v6 in general, as well as the government's plan on v6 deployment. The last one, you probably have the VNNIC update fresh in your memory, but the national v6 plan and how all the ISPs have issued their plans and other roles that VNNIC is taking for the v6 promotion.

Any questions from people about any of these updates?

Would you mind to come up to the microphone, so that the remote participants can hear you?

Suranta Brahmana (Telekom Indonesia): OK. Thank you. My understanding from my friend from Taiwan before that has informed to us that that country now implementing IP version 6. My question is: what is the response of the customer regarding the implementation of IP version 6?

Are the customer -- I mean, are the users of the Internet become more satisfied compared with the IP version 4? What are the response of the Internet content?

Usually, according to my experience also, there's many content providers that do not care about the implementation of the IPv6. Maybe our friend from Taiwan can say to us regarding their experience in implementing of IP version 6. Thank you.

Izumi Okutani: OK. I'm not sure if Sheng Wei can provide all the details on behalf of the ISPs, but it would be great if he could just give us a review, if there's anything that you know about the effect on ISP service.

Sheng Wei Kuo: In Taiwan, some ISPs provide IPv6 access network, such as fibre to home service. But because we found IPv6 is in fewer content, the content is not much.

So we suggest the government to do the network services, to change to IPv6. Then we can promote ISPs and ICPs to change to IPv6.

Izumi Okutani: OK. At this stage, maybe there's no, like, obvious benefit for subscribers and not much incentive.

So you're trying to have the government to, like, play like a role model and then other organizations follow.

Sheng Wei Kuo: Yeah.

Izumi Okutani: OK. Thank you.

I don't know if that answered your question, but you're free to discuss more details with him or any other speakers individually about this.

Personally, my impression was that TWNIC, KRNIC and VNNIC have all been active in, you know, providing certain direction to the industry players. I'm quite surprised that the deployment rate in Taiwan was really growing rapidly. Did you find a particular measure that was specially useful to encourage this in Taiwan? Also, I observe that Vietnam succeeded in all ISPs issuing v6 plan.

So any affect? What were the specific effects?

In the case of Taiwan, what did you think was really useful to have this high growth?

Are you able to answer this or was my question too vague?

My question, first, to TWNIC. I was surprised about high growth of v6 readiness in the presentation that Sheng Wei showed. Was there a measure you thought was very effective to have this figure?

Was it because government encouraged or was it because -- I don't know. Was there a reason for, like, really high readiness, growth in the readiness? In the statistics, you showed very high growth in the readiness, in comparison.

Sheng Wei Kuo: Yes. In my presentation, you can see the education network provides IPv6 to all elementary schools and high schools. So there are many persons who use IPv6. So you can find the traffic and the website grows rapidly from 2010.

Izumi Okutani: So deployment in school really helped boost this growth?

Sheng Wei Kuo: Yeah.

Izumi Okutani: OK. That's interesting.

I think Mr Na wants to comment something.

Jung Jung Na: I have a question. I am interested about ISMS for IPv6. ISMS means information security management system ... If anyone has some information, tell me about it.

Izumi Okutani: OK. That's a very good point.

I understand security in v6 is a big issue, when you think of transfer from v4, because people are really used to that kind of concept. So I will also get back about within Japan, if I can share any information.

Kenny Huang (TWNIC): Because he just mentioned ... basically provide education network for elementary school, high school and university to access IPv6. But government is going to have a policy this year. We are going to set up public IPv6 Internet exchange point. So any network funded from public sector need to provide free IPv6 access to any commercial service provider, through the IPv6 access point.

So that will encourage all the commercial providers, go connect to the public sector. Go through with IPv6.

That's one thing.

The other thing is we try to set up another pure IPv6 demarcation access point, because we also concerned about security issue, because IPv6 is new and a new protocol means new bug. So somehow we need to separate the traffic initially to testing whether has any bug within the operating system. Initially, most of the IPv6 traffic will go through a design network port, to make sure there's no security issue. We will gradually transfer all the traffic to IPv6. That's it.

Izumi Okutani: Thank you very much.

My question to VNNIC was, like, you have done a couple of measures for v6 deployment. Was there anything in particular you found was really effective in promoting the v6 deployment or everything in general was pretty much the same?

Phan Thi Nhung: Actually, in my slides, I provide information that shows on testing, yes.

Izumi Okutani: Testing.

Phan Thi Nhung: Yes. You mean that how that impacts the policy for v6 in Vietnam? The question?

Izumi Okutani: Right, exactly.

Phan Thi Nhung: Sure. At first, as you know, the government policy, yeah, because the Ministry of Information and Communication, we monthly issue the national IPv6 plan for Vietnam, show that in Vietnam, we understand that is the policy of the government, that all ISPs in Vietnam must follow --

Izumi Okutani: So the government took a strong lead and then, like, asked the ISPs to follow?

Phan Thi Nhung: Yeah, something like that. Most of all major ISPs, like they have to do first and then next do the small ones ... At the moment, all the major ISPs, they have issued their own IPv6 action plans, yes, that conforms with the national plan.

Izumi Okutani: I see. I think the strong position of the government helped.

Phan Thi Nhung: Yeah. Exactly.

Izumi Okutani: Thank you very much. If you have any further questions, you know, feel free to talk to individuals.

Masato Yamanishi: Speaking for myself, it's a question not for a specific presentation, it is a general question for each NIR. Can I ask whether each NIR has already implemented their transfer policy or not? If it is already implemented, can I ask whether it is limited within each NIR or you already transfer NIR member and other APNIC member or you already out into RIR transfer?

It is my question.

Izumi Okutani: Any NIR who wants to answer?

Phan Thi Nhung: Actually, before transfer, yeah, in VNNIC, actually not any requirement. Not yet issue any -- required to do that actually in Vietnam, at the moment.

However, we will prepare the policy to transfer that to conform with APNIC policy, yeah, however.

Izumi Okutani: There's no need. So at this point, VNNIC is not implementing the transfer policy.

How about other NIRs?

In case of JPNIC, as I have explained, we have implemented to August last year, but the transfer is just closed within JPNIC at the moment. We are discussing whether to expand that with transfers with APNIC members, as well as ARIN, if they also pass their inter-RIR transfer policy.

We are quite tight on time, so for other NIRs --

Paul, did you want to speak?

Paul Wilson: Hi, Izumi. Thanks. I just thought I would make a comment about the last question about transferred, because I had heard some concern before that some time ago, for NIRs that may not have implemented a transfer system, there was some feeling of some fear maybe that they could lose members to APNIC, if APNIC is able to process transfers that an NIR is not able to process.

I would be very concerned if that became the case or if there was any case, actually, where an NIR was unable to fulfil a transfer for a member and felt that that member might be lost to APNIC as a result.

I don't think that's a necessary outcome and I would suggest to any NIR that has a transfer request or is unable to fulfil it through your adopted procedures, that you might talk to us first about how we could assist in having that transfer take place, without the necessity to lose a member to APNIC, for instance.

I just think that's worth saying in this interim time, when some NIRs have not yet implemented transfers, that you shouldn't fear kind of losing the members. I'm sure that something can be worked out with APNIC, in that case. Just get in touch with the Help Desk.


Izumi Okutani: Thank you very much for the assurance, Paul.

I think we have a small workshop between NIRs and APNIC tomorrow. So we can maybe discuss more about it, if you want.

Regarding the information of each NIR's transfer status, I will collect information and then share it on the mailing list.

The last speaker, I believe, is Sanjaya. I'm very sorry to have kept you waiting. You will be giving an update on the survey plan of APNIC.

Sanjaya: I would like to introduce the 2012 members and stakeholders survey that we are going to start soon and we had support from the NIRs, particularly.

The APNIC planning process relies on the members survey, as an input to its strategic activity plan and budgeting that then produces an operational plan. So it's a very key component in our planning.

We normally run our survey every two years and it is run around the end of the year in December. The problem with that is we realised the outcome of the survey would happen some time in March, which is a bit too late for us to implement in the year's planning. So we decided starting this year, to move everything forward by six months to May, not July, but to move to mid-year, so we have the report finalised early September, which is a good time as an input to the following year's planning process. So that's what we're going to do this year.

Instead of doing it in December, we pull it forward to May and June.

These are the milestones. We will announce this survey at the AMM on Friday. So this is just to give you, the NIRs, a heads up about this.

The focus group is going to happen around April. If you have been following how APNIC does its survey, it actually consists of two different parts. Part 1 is the focus group, a face-to-face meeting in certain economies, conducted by our advisor and consultant, then followed by an on-line survey which is more generally available. So we are going to do the same thing.

I think the difference this time is actually the outcome of the focus group will be also incorporated in the report later on, instead of just as background information for the on-line survey.

I actually have John Earls here, our survey advisor, who might be able to add some notes after I present this.

The on-line survey's launch is 7 to 31 May. The report should be ready to be presented at APNIC 34 in Cambodia by August.

The survey structure is now we also are targeting -- expanded targeting into three stakeholder groups. The first one is APNIC members, the second one is AP general stakeholders from Asia Pacific and then general stakeholders from worldwide. So we are going to send the survey to almost everyone in this world, as much as we can, because one of them would fall into one of these three.

The NIRs themselves can fill in. As a member, they can fill in all the sections, 1 to 6. The NIR members, because they are not APNIC direct members, we would encourage your members to fill in sections 2 and 3.

The promotion will be through all media that we have. So through the web, mailing list, social media, training/events, liaison trips and personal emails. We do need help from all the NIRs to promote it to your members.

I know you yourselves will always participate, the NIR itself, but I would like you to also invite your members to fill in sections 2 and 3.

We could provide some draft mail-outs to you and then you can translate it to your language and then push it out to your members. If you do have any promotional ideas, we would be interested to hear it.

That's it from me.

John, would you like to add a few words?

John Earls: Yes, I would. Can I come up?

Sanjaya: Yes, please.

John Earls: Good evening. When I arrived, Sanjaya put the hard word on me and told me he wanted me to say a few words. But I'm happy to do so.

To those who don't know me, I'm John Earls. Before I retired, I worked for KPMG. People then say, "You're an accountant." I hasten to add: I'm not an accountant.

My background is in strategic planning, education and IT. I have conducted lots of surveys throughout my career. People quite often say to me, "Are surveys any good?" Well, like most things, some of them are useless and some of them are very good indeed.

Now, one of the things that I have always found encouraging is that in your Director General, you have a very enlightened man, who invited me to do surveys for APNIC many years ago and I've been involved on a number of occasions.

Casting my mind back in my career, I can tell you about what is not a good survey. I once did a survey for a large private business. All the directors were members of the family. When I presented the results to them, which were absolutely dreadful, there was silence for at least a couple of minutes. Then the Chairman said, "How can we bury the results?" So that's one survey.

APNIC I have always seen as being quite different, because, first of all, it is a bottom-up process, just like your policy. To me, it's very important and I believe that members have an opportunity to drive the organization. The same thing applies to the survey.

I think that the good thing is that I do believe that the EC and the Secretariat do take note of what members say and do try to meet your needs. It's not always possible because money is not unlimited, but I think they do try.

What Sanjaya was saying here, I think they always try and tune the survey to be representative of where we are now and also to look at the fact that members are one category, stakeholders are another category and stakeholders outside the region are a third category.

So to me, it's been a bit disappointing in the past that there hasn't been as big a response as there could be right across the board. Because I do believe that the interests of NIRs and APNIC are complementary.

I think your ultimate members can benefit from both.

There are things that APNIC does that are much wider in their application, like who is being involved in Internet governance and research and things like that, that benefit NIRs' members.

So I would be asking you: please, do encourage your members to participate in this upcoming stakeholder survey, because I think this is an important role for you to play and, ultimately, I believe it will be for your members' benefit.

Thank you very much.

Izumi Okutani: Thank you. I hope we can all cooperate with APNIC in receiving feedback within our community.

Thank you very much and I'm sorry the time was longer than initially planned. I think it was good that we were able to exchange information, especially on our v6 deployment situations, both on a national level and what each NIRs do.

There's no need to stop exchanging information here.

So if you have any further questions based on what's been presented, feel free to contact individual speakers or ask questions on the NIR SIG mailing list.

Thank you very much to everyone who spoke and also for those who participated.


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